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Poster: c-freedom Date: Jan 4, 2014 4:51am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: That notion just crossed my mind

Do you know that many rock bands when they hit the road play twenty tunes and play them in the same order night after night.
Example- Black Sabbath played basically the same songs give or take a few new songs all across the U.S. and on three other Continents on their 13 tour.
Many bands may have as many recorded songs as the Dead but they only play a fraction of them live at any time.
The Dead also used different song combinations that is not something common in rock and roll. The formula tends to be one song at a time in the same slot based on popularity of the song night after night.
Also the jam most bands only jam inside a tune that don't jam from one tune into the next tune.
The Dead also tried to stay above the commercialism so prevalent in our society. I was at a show at R.F.K and one of the equipment guys was covering up a beer advertising sign that was on the façade directly behind the stage. When I asked what was up? He told me 'the band makes music, it does not peddle beer'.
The Dead don't chat up the audience like many bands.
Typical smoozing-"Hey Cleveland, You guys Rock!, This is the best place ever to play"
next night "Hey Pittsburg, You guys Rock!, This is the best place ever to play"
and "Hey wherever we are, You guys Rock!, This is..."
Every once in a while the Dead gets introduced but it is usually pretty casual often by the promoter.
Sometimes the band even introduced itself and those moments tended to be very cool.
Also we get squirrelly if the band played the same encore twice on a given tour.
Some bands play the same encore every single night.

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Jan 5, 2014 12:36am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: That notion just crossed my mind

And then there's Minglewood.

"Couple shots of whiskey, those [fill in the blank] girls start lookin good ..."

"And it's T for [fill in the blank]"

Once he actually did say "T for right here in wherever we are." I think it was Merriweather Post, which really is one of those "wherever we ares." (Not quite DC, not quite Baltimore ...) So that gets the frankness award.



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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Jan 5, 2014 8:29am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: That notion just crossed my mind

Maybe 10-3-87, Shoreline?

"Wherever we are, in this garbage dump." Or something similar.

But then it's Bobby and we probably have more creative interpretations o'er the years as well.

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Jan 5, 2014 6:24pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: That notion just crossed my mind

LOL! No, it was someplace I'd been, so the comment made sense to me. I have no opinion on whether Shoreline is a garbage dump :-)

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Jan 5, 2014 7:13pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: That notion just crossed my mind

It is - and was built on top of a landfill. There were problems with escaping methane gas when first opened. I've always hated it as a venue.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shoreline_Amphitheatre

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Poster: Mandojammer Date: Jan 6, 2014 9:52am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: That notion just crossed my mind

Close AR. SPAC - 6/24/84

This show was the day after I had my final certification board as a nuclear engineer at the prototype training facility the Navy has in West Milton/Ballston Spa just a few miles from Saratoga. I celebrated. I was told I had a good time.

http://archive.org/details/gd1984-06-24.sbd.miller.27449.sbeok.flac16

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Jan 6, 2014 10:06pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: That notion just crossed my mind

The China Doll is excellent.

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Poster: Mandojammer Date: Jan 7, 2014 8:28am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: That notion just crossed my mind

CD notes from The 1984 Project.....

n. China Doll – Brent’s shift to harpsichord was the China Doll confirmation although Phil was still stuck in a Playin’ groove well after Jerry and Bobby had committed to China Doll. First thought is how well/if Jerry’s vocals will hold up. Fortunately this is a tune that is enhanced by plaintive, strained vocals. Goosebump raising run from Jer at 2:30 even if it was a little loose and unfocused. Watch for the Phil bombs at 3:30. Reasonably well played, but I didn’t really like how the song just ended on a fade instead of a smooth transition.

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Poster: c-freedom Date: Jan 5, 2014 10:24am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: That notion just crossed my mind

Yes, Weir was our resident Rock Star for sure.
I knew we were in trouble when the food vendors came out with Shiska-Bobby =Bobby on a stick!

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Poster: fenario80 Date: Jan 7, 2014 7:35am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: That notion just crossed my mind

There's a UCLA (Pauley Pavilion) show from 78 or 79 where he sings T for Studio City, which is kind of all the way across town. Maybe he thought they were at the Universal Amphitheater ...

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Poster: fenario80 Date: Jan 7, 2014 7:43am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: That notion just crossed my mind

I made the mistake of seeing the Kinks twice on the Low Budget tour. LOVE the Kinks, but they played EXACTLY the same show, right down to the stage banter.

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Poster: c-freedom Date: Jan 7, 2014 8:11am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: That notion just crossed my mind

Hey fenario80 -The fun thing with he Kinks would be to see if Ray and Dave would hold it together. They could get pretty snarly with each other as brothers will.
Anything by the Kinks up to Misfits tour was excellent after that they went commercial in a big way although Ray still wrote some great tunes. (too much Rock and Roll hall of fame)

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Poster: fenario80 Date: Jan 7, 2014 11:43am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: That notion just crossed my mind

I totally agree with that - I bought one or two albums after Low Budget but don't even really remember them now. And I only saw them a handful of times - all between Sleepwalker and Low Budget - but they seemed to have a pretty good truce going during those years.
God only knows what's up with those two - I wish Ray were interested in doing a 50th anniversary thing this year but that seems increasingly unlikely, unless they're planning to surprise everybody.

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Jan 7, 2014 11:50am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: That notion just crossed my mind

The news of late has been pretty favorable for same from both brothers, as well as Mick Avory, but whether all 3 get on the same page is another story. I saw them during Low Budget days - one of the vastly underrated bands due to their problems on this side of the pond. Had they toured in their heyday...
http://www.jambands.com/news/2014/01/04/ray-davies-talks-kinks-reunion#.UsxahfRDuSo

I'll see this and the Faces' reunion.

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Poster: fenario80 Date: Jan 7, 2014 12:07pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: That notion just crossed my mind

Hey Thanks! That is great news! I just read an interview with him from November where he really didn't seem to want to talk about a reunion at all. Can't get to that interview today - Variety .com seems to get stuck in an advertising loop ...

http://variety.com/interstitial/?ref=http%3A%2F%2Fvariety.com%2F2013%2Fmusic%2Fspotlight%2Fray-davies-bemused-in-the-u-s-a-1200819434%2F

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Poster: HuaHinWharfRat Date: Jan 4, 2014 5:39am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: That notion just crossed my mind

Yer not wrong. Sabbath weren't the only ones. Somewhere I have a Zeppelin bootleg "Canadian Crush" - 2 nights: 19th and 20th March 1975 - both nights absolutely identical sets. One of the (many) reasons I love the Dead was the variety and rotation of the songs/singers i.e. Pigpen, Jerry, Bob, Pigpen, Jerry, Bob, and so on - not necessarily absolutely in that order, but along those lines (e.g. check out the shows that comprise the E72 tour trunk) - variety stopping things getting boring e.g. The Who get samey with Daltrey on vocals most of the time, ditto, Zeppelin with Plant on vocals most of the time. And then there's the repertoire - when they played London in 1990, they played 3 nights and didn't (I think) repeat one song across the whole 3 nights. With our band, we were blessed with variety.

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Poster: c-freedom Date: Jan 4, 2014 7:32am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: That notion just crossed my mind

Hey HuaHinWharfRat;

Even a band like 'Yes' which played such cool music basically played the same set for an entire tour.

With the Dead the variety got better over time! Only area they got a little stagnant at times were the encores. We used to joke they would play basically the same tunes for encores so the vendors would know it was time to set up shop on Shakedown St. but every once in awhile they would put something different in the encore slot caught Terrapin
at Nassau once.

Another thing that was always in the back of my mind was last time played. waiting on a particular song to make it back (the return of Help> Slip or what became of St. Stephen after 83? Here comes sunshine! in Arizona breakout,)
Some tunes just vanished completely Lightning>Supplication

I am listening to 74 Winterland shows and as outstanding as they are there are a lot of repeats especially from Weir.

Now I caught ( or listened to) all of the MSG 5 night run in the late 80's and there were very few repeats at all.(Masterpiece, Queen Jane- sticks out in my mind)
And it was no problem for the Dead to do a 3 night run during that time and not play one single repeat.
I was at the London shows only went in for the Werewolves show , would have liked to have caught the Dark Star show too.

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Poster: He Live's Date: Jan 4, 2014 5:20pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: That notion just crossed my mind

an old well-beaten horse, this thread.

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Poster: c-freedom Date: Jan 5, 2014 9:08pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: That notion just crossed my mind

O.K. then you need a joke perhaps?

How many deadheads does it take to screw in a light bulb?
Two, one to twist it and one to light it.

O.K. one more-

How many cops does it take to screw in a light bulb?
Just one, but he is never around when you need him.